shows a 158 gr. It was designed using a for the Vulcan .44 Magnum/.256 Winchester Magnum were made of Lexan plastic and were available only in one size. Rear & front sights manufactured by Williams Gun Sights, Refitted with aftermarket Fajen custom walnut stock (by owner). Our .357 Magnum carbine: a new-production Marlin 1894C. Buying one of them would give you the pistol/carbine same ammo, and save a carbine re-barreling. Universal did not place the model numbers on any of their carbines, only on the label on the end of the box that contained the carbine. The bolt-action 77/357 features a five-round rotary magazine and is offered in the Ruger All-Weather configuration, which includes a durable, weather-resistant stainless steel barrel and receiver and a rugged, black composite stock. This model was offered with a scope and scope mount, with the option of no sights or a front and rear sight made by Williams Gun Sight Co. (same used on the Universal Vulcan .44 Magnum carbine). M1 Carbine in 357 magnum If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. The markings and their locations on the carbines coincided with the markings used on their .30 caliber carbines, with the exception of the caliber being indicated as "256 FERRET" instead of "CAL.30 M1". The first, and more expensive, is to buy new casings ($.50-$1.00 per casing) or used casings that have .357 Magnum casing necked down at the front to hold a .257 caliber bullet. Larry Gibson “Deficient observation is merely a form of ignorance and responsible for the many morbid notions and foolish ideas prevailing.” If you don Therefore, serial numbers appear random unless The first purpose of the Second Amendment is too often overlooked, fostering a liberty of mind and action necessary in the people of a free republic. The carbine depicted above and below has a serial number between 88,000 and 98,000. The later two models were available The replacement for the Model 256 ferret A, the Model 1025 appears to have been introduced in 1966 and remained in use through approximately 1979. The … place for extraction. reloading videos on YouTube. Somebody, I think it was AMT, made a .30 Carbine semi-auto pistol. This model appears in a 1978 brochure, which would indicate the highest should be in the 388,000 range. Most of them start around 2280 fps and at 200 yards, are down around 1600 fps. This receiver is a .30 caliber carbine receiver with the rear sight platform removed. Comparison with .357 Magnum and other rounds.. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. So, the carbine is both faster and throws a heavier projectile. Introduction The Universal Firearms Model Vulcan 440 pump action carbine in .44 Magnum appears in the Universal Firearms brochures from 1963-1967. were 1900 +/- 30 fps) out of a 16" carbine barrel. The 9mm Winchester Magnum case, a tiny bit shorter than the .30 Carbine case, could be a source of similar wildcat conversions without all of the case trimming. The 30 Carbine with 90 - 110 gr bullets in the M1 Carbine outperforms the 9mms and the 357 magnum in any semi-auto they may be in. Vintage Boxes - Gear, Shell, Case, Primer, Group Buys Design, Active , Waiting and Archives, Closed Buys/Waiting for delivery/in shipment, If this is your first visit, be sure to Universal Firearms name is horizontal. The recoil system, slide, and other parts were Serial numbers were not specific The replacement for the Model 1256 Ferret, the Model 2560 Ferret, appears to have been introduced about 1983. Also if you want it in a magnum revolver cartridge, the Ruger Deerfield in 44 magnum was Winchester began producing the .256 Winchester magnum cartridge in 1961 and continued production into the beginning of the 1990's. the .256 Winchester magnum. The chart on their website indicates this gauge can be used The earlier two models used the stock and handguard of their current production sporterized walnut stocks. The four model numbers used by Universal for these carbines were basically a .256 Winchester magnum version of their current production .30 caliber carbines during a particular time. That's fundamentally what the Mini-14 is. These retail new for $70-$80 and can be found at the larger reloading On the other hand, creating a 357 rimless carbine wildcat from 223 brass would allow for a thicker walled mouth if so desired. This may be because .30 caliber carbine Of interest is this model and all subsequent models are not depicted in the brochures and catalogs found for 1969-1979, though they are mentioned in the few separate price lists found for the 1970's. The M1 Carbine is a handy weapon that weighs in at just over five pounds, and it fired an intermediate powered round, the 30 Carbine ammunition. By serial number 88102 (receiver code F42, during 1966) this model had changed to the Model 1025. reported the current 60 grain bullets fail to chamber, equipment. The .30-30 is generally ballistically comparable to the 7.62x39..357 won't penetrate, say, a soft ballistic level III vest, whereas a .30-30 Most will indicate the headspace gauges for the .357 magnum can be used as a headspace gauge for As of February 2010 the best price I could find The M1 Carbine as a round is ballistically effective. The M1 carbine so modified to .357 could maybe be tamed down to where it was pleasant as it taps off the gas for functioning and the .351 is recoil operated and can't be messed with much. other than semi-automatic. .256 Winchester Magnum casings. A.30 Carbine from an 18" barrel yields roughly double the energy of a.357 magnum from a revolver. I always wanted a .30 carbine with the semi-auto pistol chambered for the same round. Each used a .256 version of the .30 caliber carbine bolt, extractor, and barrel in use at the time, with This change occurred about .30 caliber carbines, the lowest serial number observed to date is 88102 (receiver code F42, during 1966). Winchester .256 factory loads used a 60 grain Open Point Expanding bullet at a muzzle velocity of 2760 fps and muzzle energy of 1015 ft. lbs. However, data collected so far The ejector, ejector plunger, ejector spring, extractor plunger, extractor spring, and firing pin are interchangeable .357 Mag is a good choice for PCCs especially if one carries a .357 sidearm. German Shepherd Dad. serial number 100,000 and continued through end of production for all .256 Winchester magnum models. Compared to the .30 carbine cartridge this cartridge has an increased velocity (muzzle velocity of 2700+/- fps), flatter trajectory, and increased terminal impact. It is mentioned in War Baby Comes Home, Volume II, by Larry Ruth, on page 761 as "one of the 1980s Universal Carbines". as new ammo, but reloads and reloading equipment are still available (see ammunition section below). (Marlin 24 inch rifle barrel). all other parts interchangeable with the current production .30 caliber carbine parts. Shipment is not immediate, it's a special order item. The F identifies the receiver as having been used for the 256 Ferret model, the 24 indicates the receiver was being manufactured The easiest way to identify these from their .30 caliber carbine magazines are the sides of the magazines and orientation of the Universal Firearms name. I support President Trump 100%. Personally, I feel that the M1 Likewise, .44 mag, 9mm I don't know where we are getting the figure of 1,700fps for a 110gr bullet from a 4" barreled .357 Magnum. The diameter of the casing will not allow the extractor to pass over it unless some of the metal is removed. #MAGA #NRA . Reloading your own ammo is much less expensive. Be aware these are not stocked by most reloading supply retailers (Midway & Cabela's sometimes have the new ones $$$). already been sized to the correct dimensions. The .256 Winchester Magnum cartridge will not fit in a .30 caliber carbine magazine. Keeping in mind the serial numbers were intermingled the serial numbers on the .30 caliber carbines, Remington .257" 86 grain Soft Point bullet. If you force me to prove it I'll shoot you. Parts for this rifle can occasionally be found online at Numrich Gun Parts. On receiving a Clymer "No Go" .357 gauge it was accompanied by a note that indicated not for use in rifles. American black walnut or ventilated metal, Scope & scope mount included, no front/rear sight. This cartridge is sometimes referred to as the.256 Ferret or.256 Universal. As I recall, the guy that made the .357 contains the three necessary dies: the full length resizing die, the seating die, and the neck sizing die. Even a little .223 is good for deer if you get a good hit. The Universal Firearms .256 Ferret carbines were not designed Unfortunately, some take that to mean the.30 Carbine is universally anemic and the.357 magnum is universally potent, so the.357 magnum (from a handgun) trumps the M1 carbine... which certainly isn't true. has included only one of these carbines above serial number 96000. M1 Carbine gas system, reliable (but expensive) magazines, more powerful/common calibers. The citation for Winchester doesn't come close to supporting that claim. factory load at 1235 fps. .357 is weaker than .30 carbine out of a rifle..30 carbine is inferior to the AK47 7.62x39 caliber. The M1 Carbine is a light, handy rifle with a 15 or 30 It is not so easy to modify a M1 Carbine from .30 carbine into the caliber .357 Magnum. next .256 Winchester magnum model from the one that preceded it. The 75 grain and 86 grain bullets were meant for use in weapons In the photographs below, the .256 Winchester Magnum/Vulcan .44 Magnum magazine is on the left. the lowest .256 Winchester magnum carbine serial number observed to date is 32294 with the receiver code F24. All of the magazines I’ve heard from many long-time gun collectors that the 30 carbine is under-powered. Velocity is similar to the M1 carbine, but the .357 Magnum does have the A 357 carbine or 44 mag cabine will kill deer better than a 30-30 any day. Universal used the same magazine for The replacement for the Model 1025 Ferret, the Model 1256 Ferret, appears to have been introduced about 1980. They also offer as an alternative for the .256 Winchester magnum. Data collected so far has yet to locate an example of this model. The .30 caliber carbine extractor had to be modified to allow it to pass over the .256 Winchester Magnum casing as a cartridge was chambered. compared to the current production .30 caliber carbines. Magazines used for these carbines were the same magazine as used for the Universal Vulcan .44 magnum carbine (see magazine section below). specs. Drilled and tapped for the side scope mount, The letter F indicates the receiver was intended for the Ferret model, the two digit number (not always present)indicated month of production receiver was manufactured (24 indicates 24th month of production). Gunbroker.com, AuctionArms.com, or through a retailer. To do this, you will need a set of reloading dies for the .256 Winchester Magnum. The main difference between this model and it's predecessor is the ventilated metal handguard is now standard, the stock was only offered in hardwood. The first .256 Winchester magnum model appears to have been introduced in 1963 and remained in use through approximately 1966. The bolt and extractor were a .30 caliber carbine bolt and extractor that were widened to accommodate the .357 casing. The receivers, barrels, bolts, and extractors used for this model were the .256 Winchester magnum variants of their .30 caliber carbine counterparts. was about $38 for a box of 50 reloads, at Reed's Ammunition & Surplus. This model is not depicted in the brochures and catalogs found for 1980-1982, though it is mentioned in a separate price list dated 1982. Ruger Hawkeye single shot pistol (introduced 1961), Marlin Model 62 Levermatic rifle (introduced 1962), Rex Merrill Sportsman single shot pistol (interchangeable .256 Win Mag barreled upper), Thompson/Center Contender single shot (interchangeable .256 Win Mag barrel), Universal .256 Winchester Magnum carbines (introduced 1963). New dies can also sometimes be found on Ebay, Gunbroker.com, or AuctionArms.com. Our .357 Magnum pistol: a 1980s Smith & Wesson Model 686 with a 4″ barrel. more than once. check out the. They tend to be very expensive ($1.00+ per round). Only five firearms are known to have been chambered for this cartridge, none of which are currently manufactured. The Redding Deluxe Die Set B 256 Winchester Mag 84233 (RDD84233) the unaltered .30 carbine extractor, the .256 Winchester Magnum bolt, and the .256 Winchester Magnum cartridge. It was designed using a.357 Magnum casing necked down at the front to hold a.257 caliber bullet. 24 months into production (1964). The models that followed will indicate the differences of the out of a pistol, barrel length not Data collected so far has yet to locate an example of this model. referred to the .256 Winchester magnum version of the .30 caliber carbine during their particular time. the Vulcan .44 Magnum as the .256 Winchester Magnum. with the equivalent surplus GI parts. Warning: I know Judo. I am the NRA. Too little data is available to determine when this change occurred, however, it appears to As with the .30 caliber carbines manufactured during this time period, the slide & trigger housing group are interchangeable with surplus GI slides, GI trigger housings, and all GI parts attached to trigger housing. Compared to the.30 carbine cartridge this cartridge has an increased velocity (muzzle velocity of 2700+/- fps), flatter trajectory, and increased terminal impact. Founder & HMFIC of Siege The Day. You should be aware there is a less common variation of this cartridge that uses a .223 casing instead of a .357 casing. The added benefit to this option is you can use most of the casings The same barrel blank and gas chamber as used for the .30 caliber carbines, but bored and chambered for the .256 Winchester magnum cartridge. It's really just that simple. The model numbers did not overlap one another, they Just to reiterate a good hit … that attached to the left side of the receiver. There are a few companies that sell .256 Winchester Magnum reloads. If they are used casings, make sure they have already been resized and are ready for reloading. Their .30 caliber carbine magazines were made from Lexan plastic or metal and available is several different sizes. Websites that sell headspace gauges often have a chart that shows alternatives that can be used. Ruth notes that one of his fellow Carbine collectors has made a rimless .357 Magnum Carbine by the same method. supply retailers (Cabela's, Midway, etc). Those who would trade freedom for safety deserves neither and will lose both. Each .256 Winchester magnum model used the current production .30 caliber carbine receiver with the rear sight platform removed. Information from Freddy Salinas, an tool and die maker who worked at Universal in the 1980's, is that this model was designated but never made. M1 Carbine The carbine was created because not enough M1911 pistols could be produced to arm secondary personnel, such as artillerymen, cooks, clerks, truck drivers, etc. They usually come up speechless or disbelieving when I tell them it is roughly equivalent to a 357 magnum. USN Submarine Veteran. No source is indicated, other than it was introduced after 1980 and before Universal's buyout in 1983. jamming the action. The cartridge is no longer manufactured Ruth indicates only the model number and the caliber, no other information. It has an 18″ round barrel, weighs a little over six pounds, and holds 9+1 rounds. The models it's listed with is the 1981 Commemorative Model (1981-1983) and the Model 3300 Enforcer (1980-1983). The use of .357 cal Desert used prior to the switch to the two recoil spring gas system design and the thinner slide with the hole for the right bolt lug. The bullets, powder, and primers are all current production and easily obtained from most retailers who sell reloading At least one experienced user has There are two sources for the .256 Winchester Magnum empty casings. But for the M1, wouldn't IT be easier to de-rim 357 mag cases, than shortening and reaming 223 cases? Universal didn't always indicate the date on their materials. Weaver base mount and separate short scope mount with 1" ringsUniversal used the Universal trigger housing, but the trigger housings and all parts therein are compatible with GI surplus parts. .Remington factory 357 Mag. to the various .256 Winchester magnum models, the receivers were simply serial numbered .30 caliber carbine receivers with the rear sight platform removed and the .256 Ferret markings. a variety of bullets and loads. take a look at the RCBS reloading tutorial, or Out of 6-pound Marlin 1894 or 8-pound Henry Big Boy , recoil is a mere suggestion of what it is out of a 6-inch barreled revolver. This would require modification of the rifle by a qualified gunsmith. Redding currently manufactures these dies. All magnums are tamed considerably out of a rifle or carbine compared to a handgun, but the .357 Magnum is among the most pleasant to shoot. Keeping in mind the serial numbers were intermingled the serial numbers on the This cartridge is sometimes referred to as the .256 Ferret or .256 Universal. followers are grooved, .30 caliber carbine This photograph depicts Used RCBS dies can sometimes be found on Gunbroker.com or other auction websites. BIG OR SMALL I LIKE THEM ALL, 577 TO 22 HORNET. .30 M1 Carbine ammo is approximately equivalent to .357 Magnum from a carbine length barrel. Christian. (9mm is not far behind these.) If you start a 140 grain XTP from a 16” .357 carbine at 2000 fps, your retained velocity at 200 will be around 1250- typical handgun muzzle velocity for today’s watered-down .357 factory loads. Perhaps a better comparison would be with a .357 Magnum fired from a 16- inch carbine. You'll often find these on This model is not depicted in any of the brochures and catalogs found so far. Finding a replacement extractor is extremely difficult. The less expensive option is to obtain new or used .357 magnum casings and resize them yourself. NIB Cimarron 1873 Short Rifle, 357 magnum, case hardened frame, 20" barrel, walnut stock, 10 round capacity. The first model was the only model offered the option of sights, all models included the scope and scope mount .30 caliber carbine extractors can be modified to work with this casing by use of a Dremel tool to remove only enough of the extractor so it will pass over the casing and snap into The carbine depicted below is a Model 1025 with a serial number above 109,000. Universal designed their own magazines but did not indicate which magazine is used for what caliber. To accommodate a GI trigger housing the hole for pin securing the front of the trigger housing to receiver may require slight enlargement. The target of the marketing of firearms made in this caliber tended to be hunters, for hunting small to medium sized game (see ammunition section below). What follows uses the first .256 Winchester magnum carbine, the Model 256 Ferret A, as an example which may be compared to the .30 caliber carbines during the same time period. with or without front/rear sights, scope & scope mount included. coincide with the change of the "U.S. CARBINE" marking to "CARBINE" on the .30 caliber carbines, which occurred during the month receiver code 42 was used. For details on the receivers, barrels, and parts used, refer to the .30 caliber carbines during the same time periods or serial number sequences. to use this .223 casing variation. It was made from forged steel. If you are not familiar with what's involved and how to do it, 38 Special, 357 Magnum, 44 Special, 44 Remington Magnum, 44 S&W Russian, 45 Auto-Rim, 45 ACP, 45 S&W Schofield, 45 Winchester Magnum, 455 Webley, 454 Casull, 30 M1 Carbine, 380 Auto, 38 Super Automatic, 32 chambered for the .256 Winchester magnum cartridge. If you are reloading your own ammo, stick to the .357 magnum casings or the The main difference between this model and it's predecessor is the option of a ventilated metal handguard, which may have become standard at some point. For magazines, Werle is using a hybrid of M1 Carbine and .357 Magnum caliber Desert Eagle magazines, I assume modified in some way to accommodate the shorter and thinner 7.62x25mm round. with either the sporterized stock & handguard or a standard walnut or hardwood stock and ventilated metal handguard. The face of the .30 caliber carbine bolt was widened to accommodate the larger .256 Winchester Magnum casing. bullet moving at about 1900 fps (govt. Remember, the M1 Carbine was designed to replace the M1911A1 in the hands of support … Other parts remained the same as the .30 caliber carbines. The carbine has a 110 gr.